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Posted by Wendy McElroy
Monday 04 August 2008 - 06:59:54

It is time -- arguably, it is past time -- for you to get your family and your wealth safely outside the borders of the United States. America has become a police state that is moving quickly toward total surveillance and, in typical American fashion, the resulting society will almost certainly be the "the best and the biggest" tyranny in the world.

Make plans right now while opportunities still exist to secure your wealth outside of the authorities' rapacious reach because that door of opportunity may be slammed in your face in the near future. It is not merely that government at all levels is starving for the cash that's dried up from property taxes and, so, will steal and confiscate like a drunken highwayman. Many factors point to rise of the Total State, which will grind up your freedom, your future and the lives of those who resist.

I read about 12 news sources a day, from far-left to the Religious Right; month by month, there is a dramatic increase in reports of police brutality, government surveillance, crack-downs, the control of daily life down to the minutia of which oils you may cook french fries... And there seems to be precious little opposition to the arrival of totalitarianism. Perhaps the flood of oppression is too overwhelming and has caused a general paralysis; at times, that is my reaction. But, mostly, I think people are either focused on financial survival or they actually applaud the Total State. Even those who believe they believe in freedom are among the applauders because they buy the justifications being offered for the annihilation of civil liberties. For example, consider just one of the incredible and successful assaults on the due process and liberties of us all; in the name of defending women and children, the campaign against sex offenders has created a class of "untouchables" in class-free America -- people whom the government tells where to live, how to make a living, which sites they can e-visit, etc., etc. In the name of noble goals, the government has erased the idea of serving out a time in jail (which used to be called "paying your debt to society") and, instead, established the idea of indefinite sentences and 'forever' punishments.But the establishment of this caste system is just one aspect of the wild plunge into tyranny.

What should worry you the most is that everything has occurred before the economic collapse of the United States, which I believe will happen in the near future. (The timing depends somewhat on when "too many" foreign-held dollars are dumped back into America.) I expect a severe depression to unfold over the next few years. And nothing, nothing, nothing encourages the growth of State as much as people who are frightened and hungry/homeless. An entire population can turn to a leader much as children turn toward a parent...and for the same reason: to feel safe.

If an economic depression is added to the convergence of the police state with a total surveillance society, then I honestly don't know what will happen. But I do know that you don't want to be there to find out. Don't be fooled by those who say "but America has too strong a tradition of freedom for this to happen." Pre-Nazi Germans thought their culture was too sophisticated and fine to allow the triumph of barbarism. Leave.

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I am moving to the "country" to ride it out...

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I disagree.
The people that would be of the mind to leave for these reasons are the people that we dearly need to stay the most.

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Good advice for multi-millionaires maybe.

Not much use to the rest of us.

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For the record, I'm staying put, in the Republic of Oregon. I've spent a good deal of time researching alternatives in Central and South America, but I love it here, so here I will stay.

I'd like to have a piece of property in southern Chile or something, but it's not really a reality at this point.

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Where ya gonna go ?

The grass is always greener somewhere else.
I'm staying

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+1

And it still has to be mowed and matianed.


T

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MMMMMMMMMMMMM...I luv cops.......

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Some of us have no option. My SO is a disabled vet, which of course means we stand monthly with hand outstretched to big brother for the SSD and VA checks. Our only option is to continue to purchase a little silver each month and continue with our preps.

There have been times when I think about "what if". Thinking about leaving makes me realize that I could not go, I would not go even if our situation was different. I could never leave behind my children and grandchildren to suffer just so that I could be comfortable and out of harms way. I love them too much. My family is all that I have in this world worth living for, worth fighting for, worth surviving for.

Ara

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I'm pretty entrenched here,with gardens, wood burning heating system, root cellar, and last but not least a good group of friends. Where the hell would I go? If TSHTF and you are an outsider, you might wish you stayed in the USA.

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ever thought about Cascadia becoming a reality ?

Oregon + Washington + British Columbia

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Sure, sounds good! Just sign right here, and we're good to go!

But seriously, I could see it as a possibility in the future. As government continues to degenerate and become irrelevant, I think people will begin to think more in terms of bioregions, rather than artificial lines on the map defined by governments.

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This is where I was born, this is where I was raised, and this is where I will die.
If you run away from your home because of oppression, fear, or intimidation, you've already lost the game. And what will you have then? You can't buy your freedom by running scared, because once you run, brother, those mother****as own you forever. Do you want to live the rest of your days as someone else's bitch?
They think they can drive us out of the country. They think that those of us that stay don't have the balls to stand up for ourselves and fight like men. Can anyone think of a better way to die than by fighting for this cause? See, that's the thing that they don't get-- we have something to believe in and all they have is a bunch of threadbare justifications and perversions of logic.

Don't play their game, don't leave even if you have the means.

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well said renascent.

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I've thought about this a million times but there is a problem with this theory. There is nowhere to run. They rule the whole damn world my friends. You can't out run them and wherever you hide they will find you.

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Prepare for the term "illegal emigrants".

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http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/200...north-america/

The map didn't copy, hit the link for the map.

174 - The Nine Nations of North America
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Forget about the United States of America, forget about Canada and about Mexico. North America might be divided into these three states, but the northern half of the American continent is actually made up of nine nations. Those weren’t on any map until 1981, when Joel Garreau published ‘The Nine Nations of North America’.

In this book, Garreau argued that those nine regions demonstrate such distinctive cultural and/or economic features, that they are a more relevant way of dissecting North America than the traditional (Canadian) provinces and (US and Mexican) states. Those Nine Nations are:

• New England (or New Britain, or Atlantica): comprising not just the six traditional New England states (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Connecticut), but also the Canadian provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland (including Labrador). Its capital would be Boston.

• The Foundry: the (formerly) industrial heartland of North America, covering the US and Canadian sides of the Great Lakes region and including much of the US northeast. Capital: Detroit.

• Dixie: The cultural area more or less corresponding with the secessionist Confederate States of America (1861-1865), but for example excluding western Texas, the southern tip of Florida and including southern Missouri, Illinois and Indiana and southeastern Oklahoma (known as ‘Little Dixie’). Capital: Atlanta.

• The Breadbasket: includes most of the Great Plains states (in the US) and part of the Prairie provinces (in Canada). To wit: Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, North and South Dakota, Oklahoma, parts of Missouri, Wisconsin, Colorado, Illinois, Indiana and Texas; and on the Canadian side parts of Ontario, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Capital: Kansas City.

• The Islands: basically a federation of the Carribean – the islands and their people. I.e. also the Greater Miami area, heavily Cuban by now, and the Florida Keys. Could stretch all the way across the Caribbean Islands to include parts of Venezuela. Its capital would be Miami.

• Mexamerica: those areas in which ‘tex-mex’ culture is prominent, i.e. most of northern Mexico, and a large area in the south of the US - most of New Mexico and parts of California, Arizona and Texas. Its capital could either be Mexico City or Los Angeles. Some later maps include all of Mexico in this Nation.

• Ecotopia: A big chunk of coastal Northwest America, from Alaska via British Columbia through Washington State and Oregon to California. Capital: San Francisco.

• Qu�bec: the only part of North America that is institutionally non-Anglophone. Capital of this French-speaking enclave would be Qu�bec City.

• The Empty Quarter: All the other, sparsely populated areas of North America, from Northern Canada down to Utah. The name refers to the desert of the same name, occupying the lower third of the Arabian peninsula (Rub’ al-Khali in Arabic). Capital: Denver.

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Run like a rat and they win.
Change can be frightening or interesting, depends on your perspective.

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Whatever happens, can we keep California OUT? And the capital in San Fran? Eeeeewwwwwwwwww! :D

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Hey EYE I forgot that you bought that 10acres in Oregon last year or so. I recall the pictures were very nice. Did you build on it and move there? Just wondering as I am jealous of those in freedom country and all.

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I had my eye on it, but didn't buy it. Water was an issue. We are still looking for the right place in Oregon. Right now I'm looking at the Rogue, Umpqua, and Applegate River valleys (kind of in Ponce's neighborhood). Also perhaps the NE corner of the state.

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Well good luck Eye I hope you find the perfect space.

I am looking at cheap forclosures near Gold Wampums territory but no land. CA sucks.

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seems to me that tptb have had pretty much all of the world claimed for some time. where we gonna go??

Found this on that map blog - thanks for that Atahualpa<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_1225793", true); </SCRIPT>
cool site

I make maps :) Wish this had better resolution.


http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.c...2world1600.jpg

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While I am certainly intrigued by the prospect of bugging out to some exotic locale, it would be really difficult to have no support system whatsoever in a foreign land. I'm single, and any emigration would be a solo move for me. I'd rather stick it out here, where I have a network of support. But I can't say that I've totally ruled out the prospect of emigrating at some point in the future if we are still on the same path.

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happily, I come from a people who've been fighting since before Roman times.
The Picts and Scots fought, then amalgamated with each other and the Celts-the result? A population of extremely violent, belligerant, anti authoritarian barbarians-to this very day!
I'm looking forward to "Big Brother" coming for me and mine.
They may get me, but after I rip the intestines out of the first unlucky bastard that comes to do me and mine harm, I promise you, the rest of them will be thinking hard about tackling the Scottish devil.
Think I'm kidding? pity the poor bastard that comes to do my family harm.

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Are you allowed to own weapons in Scotland?

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No offense guys and guys so dont take this personnaly. If they are coming for you then you are done. Theres lots of chat on the internet but when they kick in your door with guns blazing you and yours will all be dead and in the news we will hear of some other whackjob who was storing loads of guns and ammo. I remember when this whole ed and elain brown thing went down in New Hamshire, lots of talk of a revolution and taking on the government an in the end Ed and Elaine went down without a fight when the marshalls were invited in with a couple of pizzas LOL.. Your outgunned and your outmanned.

IMO the time to fight has already come and in reality is probably too late. When the unpatriot act went into effect this country should have been up in arms and our congressmen should have been ousted from office immediately. Instead not a wimper from anyone. So what are yall waitin for? For them to come to your home? You may be able to protect your family from someone who comes knockin for some food but when the government arrives you will have a split second to decide if you and your family die today or live to see another day. My guess is you will vote for the latter.

Again this isnt directed at anyone in particular, just pointing out that reality is a lot different than posting on a BB.

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"Boston Its capital"

Dream on, most the people north of Boston think they are totally insane, crazy down there.

Nothern Maine, Vermont and NH in a vote might just go with the French.

The south of these states might just go with Boston.

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I think many of us hear what you're saying but we are just not in a position where fleeing the country is a realistic option. I'm not married and don't have kids and can afford to move myself but that's it. I don't think I can convince my parents or siblings to come along, I have a hard enough time convincing some of them there is even a problem.

Plus I have looked at a few options and none of them really seem that great. Many of the other countries are as bad as where we are running from, most of them don't even allow firearms ownership.

If the US falls to the NWO do you think anywhere else on earth will be safe for long?

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Most cops do not want to go and raid people that have good guns. I have been told this by the cops and not low ranking ones. They like easy scores to act brave. They make the news and everyone thinks they are doing their jops.

If they came for me and they missed well I might do things that would scare the whole state.

That is a fact and the big time cops in this state know that as a fact.

They think I might even get away after my rage.

They must fear what you will do!!

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Running is pretty cowardly and not very effective. They can still find you and who knows what would happen if the US did fall apart and become some sort degenerate police state. They would likely start WWIII and could easily go to war with whatever country you try and flee to.

Instead I think that you need to prepare your own spot here in this country. More importantly I think that we will need people in every area to "discreetly" focus the anger and misplaced aggression. If we can only direct that anger back on those people that deserve it and not just stand by and let it happen then we have a chance. I think that some areas of the county will be much better off with enough of these people, others (im thinking Cali like areas) may just fall apart.

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http://www.reformation.org/scottish_chiefs.html

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Dam skippy........


You hold on to what you got ...........and you fight like the devil to keep it.


T

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Western Massachusetts HATES Boston....we get about 50 cents back for every dollar we send into that black hole. :banghead: We'd rather join Vermont.

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That's why you live in privacy, as much off the map as possible. Draw zero attention to yourself. Don't use ridiculous bumper stickers or yard signs, and so on.

Don't use a cell phone, but a pager.

Don't list your real address anywhere, use a private mailbox.

etc.

For ideas, read Boston Tea Party's books, like bulletproof privacy.

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The OP has a point.

My biggest problem is my "peers". I have zero in common with those around me, the value system that is. Their goal is to consume and entertain themselves to death even. We speak the same language and live in the same geographical location but that's all we have in common, no other bonds.

They will comply with any edict coming from Dee Cee and ridicule you if you don't. Biometric national ID? Yeah, great idea. RFID chips in car tires to track you in real time? Another great idea for them.

There is no way for one country to represent all interests. Maybe those who want these things can move to CA, while others move elsewhere. But I don't want to live shoulder to shoulder with these people. And only do so now out of economic necessity (There is no work in rural Oregon or Idaho)

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True, CL....but only because no one is hungry..yet....right now, Joe Blow can still afford ESPN, ao he remains happily opiated on the meaningless professional sports scene...wait until Joe Blow can't scrape up enough money to feed his family, then the paradigm will shift hard...wonder how many people will care who wins the world series when there is no money in the bank and no food on the table?

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I agree with your post cigar lover.. except for the last part.
If the Government is rounding people up for camps I would rather go down with a fight. I think quite a few would make the choice not to go.

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WOW i see we have several here from taxachussetes!!!

I hear what you guys are saying. I do believe if there was a true revolution in his country that I would gladly join up. Unfortunately I think the tactic will be to segregate and destroy. They may even play the race card so blacks are fighting whites and Spanish are fighting blacks ect.. Makes thier job a lot easier if there is no organized front. The key really is organization.

As for leaving, yea, I have looked at a lot of different countries. What I am actually watching now is to see how prices of real estate are affected in these countries as the US declines. The next several months should be interesting.
I also realize that leaving is not an option for everyone. Yea its a big world out there and its hard to leave loved ones behind. I imagine our forfathers were thinking the same thing when they came to America and again when they decided to revolt.

For the single guys taht dont mind leaving the best opportunities are probably going to be in Asia. They have the largest economies on the planet and that will continue. Thailand is a favorite of mine and the Philippines are a very close second. Both are still relatively affordable and both countries have a lot of english being spoken. China is so polluted that I really dont want to go there but thers no doubt they are the next global superpower. We will see this within our lifetimes. A little known fact as well is that there are more people speaking english in China than in the US. Of course this only amounts to 1/4 of thier population but its still more than the US.

DR, CUba, Honduras, Mexico, Argentina, Belize, Chile, Peru and Uraguay are all contenders. Is there crime, of course but name one country that has no crime? There arent any. In the short couple of years that I was actually traveling to Cuba I made many friends. Some I am still in contact with today via email and I havent been back there in 2 years now. For them or many of them, the sht hit the fan when they were born, they know no other life yet the country has little crime. Petty theft here and there but you would be amazed at the family values that they have considering how bad things are there. It similar to going back to the 50's and 60's in the US. Close families and a close support network.
Admittedly, I havent been to the rest of the latin Amrican countries on my list above but have spoken with many people from each of those countries to try and get a feel for life there. Of all of the above the DR probably has the most crime and I would say Chile, Uraguay and Belize for the least amount.

The change in lifestyle would also not be for everyone. There is a lot of poverty, life is a lot slower, many people do small scale farming just to survive. In many places whole families live together. I had a GF in Cuba who lived with her parents and grandparents in a very small house out in the country. They raised a few chickens and the grandfather was a farmer. People would come by in the morning or afternoon for coofee and small things that they would cook up. It was a meager existence but hey were happy and they were able to survive. Unless things really open up in Cuba you probably will not go there and become rich as a small business owner. Theres lots of videos on u tube for many of these countries so you can see what life is like there anyway. I have a few from Cuba there as well.

Anyway, good discussion and I look forward to hearing more of your thoughts.

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Leaving is for cowards...I'm glad our founding fathers didn't do that. I'll stay here and try to make a difference...perhaps bullets will fly...so be it.

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Leaving is for cowards? Almost all of the first Americans (really British Traitors) left Europe due to some kind of persecution (usually religious or economic). So does that make them cowards because they fled persecution in hopes of being free?

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The "cut and run" approach never did anything at all other than give in and lose. Everyone is right: there is nowhere to hide. if TSHTF here, it is going to hit a bigger fan everywhere else.
Instead of just giving up and running away to hide your head in a hole, why not stay around and help the rest of us try and straighten things out. If you have the energy to run, you have the energy to fight. Or, maybe "energy" is not the part that's lacking.
I like it here. We have problems but it's home. I don't need to be a hated immigrant somewhere else when they have problems of their own and i'm the outsider.
Here, i have friends. We know where the ammo is buried.

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thanks ara could not been said better , im here for the long haul

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IF i have to run an hide , i would want to hide an and fight in my own back yard , just thinking of running to some place else , thought of just running pisses me off , this is are land , im still missing something WE THE PEOPLE , IT ARE HOME FOLKS , , im sorry for going ON , THIS IS MY HOME , MY LAND , worked to long to just pick up an RUN

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Maybe they are returning to their country of origin...and don't want to play with the "ugly Americans" anymore.

Why move to a " third world " ?
 

It's coming to you now.:sarc: Learn some spanish and have fun here.:tongue_ma:

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I know what the shit smells like here, jump into a different pile of shit and it may smell a whole lot worse.
I have to wonder out loud here...what does that family in south America think if I buy that property that they need to survive and feed their family, than show up there when the shtf here in the north...they live on the south of my property, their cousins live on the north, their brother lives on the west, and the other brother lives on the reaming side!
wonder how that shit would smell?

I know out here in Western Kansas some financial wizzards have decided that land is better investment than CD's so they came out from places like Delaware, and New Hampshire and bought up land at auction well above what the local price was and rent it out.
now if they have plans on coming here when it gets to tough to hang out in the city any more and they expect the locals to slap them on the back and welcome...well it will happen, but if it is hard times they are on their own for quite a long time, and no one can go it alone in bad times my friends.
take a sniff and decide if it smells to bad here for real before jumping into some other mess.

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Coward or not! I'm leaving my guns with my best friend and off to Asia by first of the year or before. I can pick up some arms when I get there. Working out the terms of my new employment right now, but 90% sure I'm outta here. People left Britain for a reason, so all of your ancestors are cowards or brave, depending upon how you see. I think it's brave to pack up and move to a foreign land by yourself. Learning a new language, a new culture, and new cuisine can be exciting and educational. I'm glad I was forced to learn a foreign language, swim or sink. I admit must people are not cut out for this, but for those of us who are, do what you have to do and don't regret it! I've been leaving in foreign countries for better than a decade anyway, and been back in the states only a year or so. If Jim rogers is in Asia, I'm in Asia. He moved his whole family there, I don't need to hear anything else. If it gets bad in Asia, I'll relocate again. Being a nomad ain't half bad.

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All I have to say is Come git me! hah

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let all run , hell let just give are home an land to them , if this place is not your home , why fight, me be we can move over sea , those people well take care of us , this is a load of SHIT, BE A MAN , take care of your home and family , beacause when you leave here not one over there well help you , they well be to busy taking care of there stuff an trying to live , this land we live in has more land for food , good luck there , if the shit hit the FAN , here, it going world wide

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Not true at all, have you ever leaved outside of this country? And not all of us have families, some of us are free birds by choice! I was in my death bes in Pakistan and strangers saved my life, I have many stories like that, the worst place I've been where if SHTF i would be hesitant is Serbia. Other than that.. Don't worry be happy:wink:

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good luck , have a safe trip

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I don't need luck and don't believe in it, luck is for those who don't believe in themselves, all the thanks anyway!

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someone said it better than I:


ADAPT.
Adapt to the new reality our world has become.
Everything is more expensive?
You need to make more money, find a way to get that done.
Things aren’t that safe any more?
You need to move somewhere else safer and have means to defend yourself and so on.

You can still enjoy the heck out of life and do these things at the same time.:)

FerFAL

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I don't really get this "I will fight and die for it" mentality. What will you be fighting for?
Land? It's just dirt, you can get it anywhere in the world. Your home? Wood, bricks, mortar. Anywhere. Your family? Portable. Your food? You can grow or catch/kill food pretty much anywhere in the world. The "You will prise my gun from my cold, dead hands" people, if the s REALLY htf , will be having their guns prised from their cold , dead hands. You're not going to out-gun any army by yourself, or by a small militia.
Home is where you live, no matter where that may be.

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hell there going to close the door soon you guy need to start running now

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Why didn't Washington or Jefferson turn tail and run? I guess I just don't believe everything I read on the Internet. I don't think things here in the US will get as bad as many of you. I fully believe 9/11 had inside help too...so I am capable of understanding your beliefs, I just don't think we'll see the worst case scenario here.

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Another example of America hating BULLSHIT!

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Yep. The grass ain't greener "over there".

This is home. Period.

The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know.

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America and Americans like you is easy to hate. I'm American, but will not be a slave for anyone.

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There is a big difference between what they did and what others are proposing. First off they left en masse to a unformed country and had the ability to create a nation in their own vision. As for today, you will be going to pre-established countries and have no choice but live how they have decided to live and be goverened how they chose to be goverened. You will not be re-enacting the events of our founding fathers. They moved and ran to opportunity. You will just be stepping from one frying pan to the next, one dung pile to another, one toilet with indoor plumbing to an outhouse...... you get the point.

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I'm not going any where, if my ancestors got kicked out of every decent country in Europe and South America, guess I'm making my stand here.

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... and over estimate your importance to the regime.

It isn't like anyone here holds the ring of power and plans on destroying the evil empire ...

Getting real has practical applications.

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My line is to fight thru exploiting what little freedoms are left by pushing the borders as far as they'll go.

Make the world your playground.

Defy all class ranks, become the Musslim nomad they've always intended you to be.:D

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and don't let the Door hit you in the ass on the way out :tongue_ma:

:sarc: sorta

If you feel you want to leave the U.S.
fine...feel free to leave.

I myself would love to live on some tropical Island where I could Surf and Fish and eat coconuts and Bananas...

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h5...n/coralsea.jpg

Instead Im stuck here in the woods 300 miles from the Ocean!

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h5...frontyard2.jpg
(my front yard)

But, I like it up here and I think I'll stay:D

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I don't blame you a bit, Trader!
Nice woods. I wouldn't leave, either.

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I have not been kicked out of any country, but been kicked out of several places, the most memorable was the circus, and it took 4 angry clowns to do it!
I figure staying and letting some one try and kick me out of my place my country may be the one to remember for all times.

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"I've been kicked out of every bar in the county, kids, but the best one was when they kicked me out of the US!"
Now that would be a story to tell the grandchildren... :D

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http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famec...don-Ramsay.jpg

get out!